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  • conrod
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    Originally posted by RacerX View Post
    I started a thread in the group sales section with Conrad's permission as I will be importing these pans for sale in the US.

    Thread: Cast DTM Oil Sump

    Cheers.
    That is correct, Jack will be my ONLY US BASED distributor for these oil pans (and a few other goodies which will follow!)

    cheers Conrad
    Last edited by conrod; 11-19-2009, 05:46 PM.

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  • RacerX
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    I started a thread in the group sales section with Conrad's permission as I will be importing these pans for sale in the US.

    Thread: Cast DTM Oil Sump

    Cheers.

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  • RacerX
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    Conrad, PM'd you. Cheers.

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  • conrod
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    thanks Paintpro, pm sent.

    Conrad

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  • paintpro21
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    Originally posted by Anders View Post
    Off topic, Conrod, I read on another site that you had looked into having DTM wheel replicas made, but that it was going to be very expensive.

    Having you thought about contacting Paintpro on this forum regarding the possibility of doing something similar through him? I bought a set of BBS RC replicas through his business, and they were very nicely made, lightweight (7.5 kg for a 8.5"), and have the proper certification.

    An awesome-looking DTM replica with those specifications would surely be a hit?!
    It's funny, I stumbled into this thread and was going to say that I may be willing to have the oil pans bulk shipped to me and then distribute them domestically (it would only be about $20-25 bucks a person most likely for domestic shipping). And one slow/bulk shipment to me would be cheap. But I could only do it if it were a group, to keep things simple on my end. I'm interested in a pan but don't really have the funds at the moment.

    I'm very open to working on new wheel projects if there is enough interest, or if someone wants to front the project. I'm even speaking with GMG about producing a new porshce and audi wheel. And working with Bimmerworld on distribution.

    Here's my new bmw/audi/vw wheel i just unveiled a few weeks ago

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  • conrod
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    I just checked, it holds exactly 6 litres to the gasket line. I fill my engine 0.5-1l past the bottom of the dipstick, so this whole bottom part of the pan must be full, as I think it takes nearly 7 litres of oil to fill to this mark. So if someone can measure a stock pan, there will be the answer!
    cheers Conrad

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  • conrod
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    Originally posted by kedde1980 View Post
    Very nice...

    Again... is the price 930 euro's? or 930 NZ dollhairs?
    930 Euros- I have always been quoting the price in Euros as most of the pans have gone to Europe, it just seemed easier that way.

    I am not 100% sure on the increase in oil capacity, I have always guessed it was around 2 litres. I have never compared it against a standard oil pan, these pans dwarf the stock pan so the difference is quite siginifcant! I will fill one of my pans to the gasket line with water and post the result later. If someone has a standard pan that is not fitted to an engine, and they can do the same, that would be good!

    One minor "tweak" which I have not mentioned yet is that my pans are exactly the same depth as the road car pan. The MS pan is about 3mm shallower - I think this is to allow the block strengthening plate (3mm thick) to be fitted without affecting the depth of the pickup in the bottom of the pan. If you use an MS pan on a road car (without the strengthening plate) the oil pickup is probably going to be too close to the bottom of the pan. I have an MS pan here which has a round "rub mark" from where the pickup had been rubbing on the bottom, the the oil pump was actually rubbing on the top baffle too.This pan was fitted to an engine (my engine!) with a standard road car upper pan, and no block strengthening plate. The rub marks are what led me to doing a bit of investigating, and uncover the small difference.

    I have achieved the extra 3mm depth on my pans by making the bolt flange 3mm thicker. If someone wants to use one of these pans on an MS engine with the block strengthening plate, I will just get my machinist to machine an extra 3mm from the top, making it identical to an MS pan. Make sense? I also supply a set of bolts that are slightly longer to accomodate this thicker flange. This difference is not really noticable unless you put both pans side by side, but I think it is quite important nonetheless.

    I figured that most of these pans would probably end up being fitted on engines that had started life in road cars (and would not have the block strengthening plate fitted) so it made sense to tailor them to suit this appplication. And if someone wanted an "MS spec" pan, by machining 3mm from the bolt flange thickness it made them easy to change back and identical to the original MS spec in this regard.

    cheers Conrad
    Last edited by conrod; 11-12-2009, 07:20 AM.

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  • Mike K.
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    Originally posted by UNHCLL View Post
    That doesn't answer the question though?
    Does utlizing the MS style pan give you 1qt? 2qt? 1/2qt? added capacity?
    From my post "adds about two quarts more oil capacity". I doubt anyone ever actually measured.

    How do you you want to measure, do you want to fill the pan off the motor or look at the dip stick? If you use the dip stick are you filling to the top of the dimple or over it or below it?

    How much does a stock pan hold?

    Mike K.

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  • UNHCLL
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    Originally posted by Mike K. View Post
    From a search:
    "A much larger cast aluminum lower oil pan that extends nearly to the frame on both sides and adds about two quarts more oil capacity. Additional vertical and horizontal baffles with three one-way flapper valves control oil surging and keep oil at the pickup under hard cornering and heavy breaking. The larger size requires removal or relocation of the A/C compressor."

    I have used BMW MS pans since 2000 & can tell you they are well worth the money. Conrods version looks exactly like the genuine MS part including the proper baffling. I have tried one other copy & I could not get it to seal without leaking most of the oil out. That copy did not follow what MS did, Conrod did follow the MS design.

    Mike K.
    That doesn't answer the question though?
    Does utlizing the MS style pan give you 1qt? 2qt? 1/2qt? added capacity?

    These pans look phenomenal. I wish I had a reason to utilize something like this!

    Nice work Conrod!

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  • Mike K.
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    Originally posted by e30gabberwock View Post
    Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the oil capacity of this (or the MS) oilpan?
    From a search:
    "A much larger cast aluminum lower oil pan that extends nearly to the frame on both sides and adds about two quarts more oil capacity. Additional vertical and horizontal baffles with three one-way flapper valves control oil surging and keep oil at the pickup under hard cornering and heavy breaking. The larger size requires removal or relocation of the A/C compressor."

    I have used BMW MS pans since 2000 & can tell you they are well worth the money. Conrods version looks exactly like the genuine MS part including the proper baffling. I have tried one other copy & I could not get it to seal without leaking most of the oil out. That copy did not follow what MS did, Conrod did follow the MS design.

    Mike K.

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  • e30gabberwock
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    Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the oil capacity of this (or the MS) oilpan?

    - Daniel

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  • kedde1980
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    Very nice...

    Again... is the price 930 euro's? or 930 NZ dollhairs?

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  • conrod
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    Thanks Anders,
    I have just had a look at his wheels and they do look very good!
    I have just started on replica Gp.A engine mounts for the M3, so I will focus on that project for now. I don't want to start two projects at once, one is more than enough! I might revisit the wheels and contact this person after this project is completed.

    cheers Conrad

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  • Anders
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    Off topic, Conrod, I read on another site that you had looked into having DTM wheel replicas made, but that it was going to be very expensive.

    Having you thought about contacting Paintpro on this forum regarding the possibility of doing something similar through him? I bought a set of BBS RC replicas through his business, and they were very nicely made, lightweight (7.5 kg for a 8.5"), and have the proper certification.

    An awesome-looking DTM replica with those specifications would surely be a hit?!

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  • conrod
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    Originally posted by Jake View Post
    Does this work? I uploaded them to my gallery. Hope you don't mind Conrad. If you choose to upload them to your gallery here I can go back and update the links no problem. Hope this helps.
    Jake
    thanks Jake - appreciate that! They were working for me okay, but only when I was logged in. But I had to click on the link to open them. Posting on interweb not my strong point!




    Originally posted by ///Mflossin View Post
    I am very interested in this pan but don't have the funds at the moment. Is this something that you will continue to produce Conrod or is this a limited time opportunity? Fantastic job BTW....these appear to be very nice and very correct.
    Thanks for the compliment :thank you - it took 7 months, a lot of prototypes, and a lot of money to get these "correct". Dimensionally they are identical to the MS pan, and all parts interchange between the two. This is not a "limited-offer-get-in-quick-while-they-are-available" deal, I will continue to produce these for as long as there is a demand. I do not want to keep producing these if nobody wants them, so by taking names now it gives an indication of how many people still want them, and speeds up the processing once they are completed.

    Conrad

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