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  • BMW Club Racing vs NASA

    What are everyones' thoughts on each group? Prep work, driver edicate, competition?

    Thanks.
    Webb
    1988 Diamantschwarz
    2004 Jet Black

  • #2
    I attended the BMW CR race school, did one BMW race in 2008, and then switched to NASA this year. I switched because in the northeast, NASA's schedule is better, and my car (as already modified) fits much better in GTS3 than DM.

    prep - NASA's ruleset will give you much more flexibility in terms of performance mods. safety equipment is essentially the same.

    etiquette - same. some seem to regard NASA as being worse in this regard. I haven't seen it in GTS. incidents happen in both venues.

    competition - your car will likely be more competitive in NASA under the current rules. which class are you focusing on?

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    • #3
      Since bmw cr now accepts nasa classes, you can race at cr events too provided you have the inclination.
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      • #4
        Thanks guys.

        I have an E30 m3 with S52 swap so I think i would be in GTS3/4.

        Looking to minimize the entrance costs. I did the NASA Instr. Clinic in July and the Comp School was going on at the same time.
        Webb
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        • #5
          nasa should accept your bmw cr license if that's what you got.
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          • #6
            I am focusing on NASA GTS instead of BMW CR because the power to weight formula seems better for my pocketbook than does the displacement classification formula used in CR. Seems like BMW CR can easily turn into a money game whereas if you outspend everyone in NASA they will just bump you up to the rich guy class, GTSU where you will be racing against every other deep pockets racer. Just my opinion.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by project86 View Post
              ..Seems like BMW CR can easily turn into a money game whereas if you outspend everyone in NASA they will just bump you up to the rich guy class....
              No, both can become money games. Optimizing suspension, engine, brakes, aero (and making everything work together as a reliable package) takes time and a lot of money. The driver who does all these things ought to win, or at least have the fastest car, and you'll find them in both venues (some guys run w/both clubs, as kish mentioned). But under BMW CR's current rules, it's just too difficult to be competitive with an S14-powered M3.

              Originally posted by whayes View Post
              I have an E30 m3 with S52 swap so I think i would be in GTS3/4.
              You'll find some seriously developed cars in GTS4. If you're looking to be competitive and keep costs down, build the car out to GTS3 weight. Leave the motor stock-ish and drop the weight (or ballast up) until you're at the class minimum. You'll also have more participants in GTS3, which is key.
              Last edited by EdPhillips; 09-01-2009, 02:16 AM.

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              • #8
                Thanks Ed.

                Car weighs around 2650-2675 w/o me in it. I do have a completely stock S52 but was planning on doing some modest engine work. That said with ~235rwhp and >2,800lb with me in it i should make GTS3.
                Webb
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EdPhillips View Post
                  No, both can become money games. Optimizing suspension, engine, brakes, aero (and making everything work together as a reliable package) takes time and a lot of money. The driver who does all these things ought to win, or at least have the fastest car, and you'll find them in both venues (some guys run w/both clubs, as kish mentioned). But under BMW CR's current rules, it's just too difficult to be competitive with an S14-powered M3.
                  I guess you are right. As I said, only my opinion.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whayes View Post
                    Thanks Ed.

                    Car weighs around 2650-2675 w/o me in it. I do have a completely stock S52 but was planning on doing some modest engine work. That said with ~235rwhp and >2,800lb with me in it i should make GTS3.
                    I would mod the engine mainly to enhance reliability (e.g., dual p/u oil pan) and cooling where necessary, and focus on weight. You'll want to run Hoosier R6s and get the power-to-weight to as close to 11.0 as possible (11.1 would be good). But that's just a goal -- once the car has all the safety gear, you should get your rookie license and start racing. The driver is the biggest variable, and there's a lot to learn, especially for the casual racer like me. You'll also be spending a lot more on replacing stuff that breaks or wears out. Things that were good enough for track days may not work so well or last very long when you start racing (e.g, factory glass windshield vs lexan). Just some things to keep in mind as you prepare. Good luck!

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                    • #11
                      To add one more idea in here. There maybe rule changes forthcoming in CR that will make a stockish s14 based car more competitive.
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                      • #12
                        I jumped over to NASA 3 years ago and haven't looked back. NASA is a great group, at least in the Midwest, with a ton of events, especially with crossover events with other regions. You'll also have the added fun of running with non-BMW cars, which can make things very interesting. Also, with the GTS rules, you'll find fewer "creative interpretations" of the rules, not that you'd EVER find that in CCA.






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                        • #13
                          I run mine in gts and performance touring with NASA, both fun and you can supersize and run both series on the same weekend for lots of racing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kishg View Post
                            Since bmw cr now accepts nasa classes, you can race at cr events too provided you have the inclination.
                            Exactly.. pick a series and set your car up... if you set the car up for NASA, you can run the NASA class in BMW CCA CR events.
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                            • #15
                              i've looking into both, n think i'd go with nasa, the rule set make a modded car more accepted in nasa and if u run up front u can win tires (hoosiers), if u do enough races and win u won't have a tire bill ( a good incentive)
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