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  • #61
    you can paint the washers/bolts black
    Last edited by Markus; 06-09-2020, 04:25 AM.

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    • Konig
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      I painted them today! Much better.

  • #62
    This thread is killing me. Such a great build, and making progress SO fast.

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    • #63
      Originally posted by Westopher View Post
      This thread is killing me. Such a great build, and making progress SO fast.
      It's easy to move quick when you've had the parts in the shed for years haha. Thanks for following along!
      1989 Lachs
      1988 Lachs - sold
      1988 DS - sold
      Bay Area M3 FB group

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      • #64
        That red Italvolanti with gold lettering is dope! Love your taste and attention to detail. As for the M8 flap fasteners, just order black bolts M8 x 20mm and black anodized countersunk washers M8 x 25mm OD.

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        • #65
          Originally posted by qwkslvrnsx View Post
          That red Italvolanti with gold lettering is dope! Love your taste and attention to detail. As for the M8 flap fasteners, just order black bolts M8 x 20mm and black anodized countersunk washers M8 x 25mm OD.
          I took them out back today and sprayed them satin black. The head of the fastener, including the washer, is only about 5.2mm. But the washer OD at its widest is 25mm. I didn't take the car out of the garage to see if it fixed the visual impression but I imagine it's better! Will see tomorrow when I drive it.
          1989 Lachs
          1988 Lachs - sold
          1988 DS - sold
          Bay Area M3 FB group

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          • #66
            Last weekend we ventured outdoors for the first time in 3 months to visit some friends in Kirkwood. For some people the exciting part of the trip is what you do when you get there, but I know how nice the roads and scenery are, so I was excited to take the M3!



            We went out via 88, and came home the 'long way' on 4. It's always a lovely drive across the Sierras and I think we got the timing perfect in terms of weather and conditions, as you'll see.



            Just a couple minutes on the road and we were cruising through the 135k milestone. Unfortunately the start of the trip was a total drag... traffic has mostly vanished with Covid but we managed to find it, sitting for the first two hours in crawling traffic all the way out to Tracy. The M3 was loaded up with road trip essentials as well as our weekend bags and a bunch of things that our friends wanted us to bring out to them (they've been in Kirkwood since shelter-in-place started). The M3 swallowed it up without any complaint.



            Things started to pick up once we got past Stockton and hit 88. We stopped for fuel, Red Bull, and beef jerky in Jackson.



            As the sun came down and we climbed our way toward Kirkwood, the views became irresistible. We pulled over once...





            ...and then again. My DSLR was buried deep in my overnight bag and we were keeping our hosts waiting for dinner, so all the photo duties were left to the iPhone.





            After 4+ hours on the road, the M3 delivered us to Kirkwood safe and sound, no worse for wear except for a bug slaughter.







            [post break due to image limit]
            1989 Lachs
            1988 Lachs - sold
            1988 DS - sold
            Bay Area M3 FB group

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            • #67
              The M3 relaxed on Saturday while we enjoyed the great outdoors. I took a few DSLR snaps.







              I love this detail on our cars: where the surfaces invert just ahead of and behind the doors.



              I did step away from the car long enough to enjoy what Kirkwood has to offer. I've been around Tahoe a few times but never down to Kirkwood, and it was wonderful. There isn't much in the way of a village and it was just quiet and peaceful. There are tons of hikes, bike trails, and small lakes to enjoy.









              My friend loaned me his spare mountain bike and took me around the trails, most of which cut across and along the ski runs. I am extremely amateur at mountain biking (second time out ever) but it's starting to win me over.





              I am thankful that he didn't tell me how much this bike was worth until after the ride. It's easy to geek out on all the tech these things have, and it added a layer of learning curve as I attempted to adjust my dampers, drop the seat post, and swap into the right gear all at the right times. Thankfully I didn't go over the handlebars at any point and by the end of the ride I was really learning to trust the bike. There are definite similarities with high-performance driving... keep your eyes up, look through the curve where you want to go, and the faster you go, the better the suspension works and the more you can trust the machine...
              1989 Lachs
              1988 Lachs - sold
              1988 DS - sold
              Bay Area M3 FB group

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              • #68
                Car is looking great!

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                • #69
                  On Saturday evening we had some down-time before dinner so I went out again with the car and DSLR to try to get some nice snaps in the dusk lighting.























                  Sunday afternoon we hiked and then made our way home. Highway 4 was lovely, but apparently not lovely enough to stop and take photos. Both 88 and 4 were nice and smooth (88 I believe was repaved just recently), 4 cut through some nice towns and along a nice river for a bit before climbing up and over the hills via tight switchbacks with no center line. We stopped for gas at an extremely overpriced but charming old-fashioned Chevron station in Camp Connell.



                  Unfortunately there was a long, straight, hot drag between Copperopolis and Stockton with nothing but wheat and corn for company. We wrapped up our California road trip in the quintessential way, at In-n-Out.



                  400+ miles and the car didn't skip a beat. The A/C and cruise control kept things comfortable, the motor was a bit wheezy at 8000 feet but otherwise no complaints! It has earned a bit of rest and a nice wash that it will receive this weekend.
                  1989 Lachs
                  1988 Lachs - sold
                  1988 DS - sold
                  Bay Area M3 FB group

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                  • #70
                    I hope you aren't getting sick of me telling you how much I love your car. It's honestly what keeps me coming back here. I wish others would document their experiences with their cars like you do. Not only is it helpful for dealing with my dumpster through seeing the jobs you've done on this and your previous builds, it's keeping me motivated to keep making it better.

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                    • #71
                      Whoa - this looks like one hell of a road trip, Pall! Thanks for sharing the pictures and the mini write-up; almost felt like I was there.

                      Seeing this post makes me really want to get my car back. Hopefully in the next few months we can make a few sprints around the bay a reality.

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                      • #72
                        Nice to see the car being used properly and not languishing in a project shed!

                        Are you running H&R Sports or Races? I like the ride height.

                        I am running the Sport Evo weaves on the Yoko A048 and I like them a lot - good all round tyre
                        JUNGL3

                        333i Sport - Alpina M52 3.3, E30 M3 5 Stud

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                        • Konig
                          Konig commented
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                          These are H&R Sport according to my notes. I'm finding them a nice blend of comfortable and sporty for street use.

                      • #73
                        WHEEL POST!

                        Good news: I have solved the 16" tire dilemma. I am going to solve it by not buying 16" tires at all.

                        If you've been following along, it has been my plan to have my 16" M5 wheels refinished in Nogaro a la Sport Evo. After many dead ends, I had a friend recommend a shop that THEIR friend was using, and that shop had their OWN shop they work with that could refinish his wheels in two colors. Whew. So I called up the intermediate shop and they said yes, this shop they use can "probably do it." I was told to expect $225-250/wheel for full refurbishment and paint in two colors.

                        I was scheduled to drop the wheels off Monday morning. Sunday night, I got to thinking. These 16s will be nice, but they are not the ULTIMATE wheel I really want to have on this car. There are some 17" options that, to me, are just absolutely killer. I plan to take that step eventually, so... why am I about to pay $1000 to have these 16s refinished, then throw $600 tires on them, if my heart's not set on it? Not to mention the hassle of trying to get these wheel painted correctly. The wheels are in nice shape as-is, they don't need the refurb and I would not recover any of the expense if I sold them.

                        So it came back to the list of 17s, all of them expensive. Here is my shorthand worksheet:
                        • BBS RS
                          • (various sizes)
                          • Good: look cool, period correct, reasonable pricing
                          • Bad: want something a little more unique, have to find/build a set to spec
                        • BBS E50
                          • (build to spec)
                          • Good: amazeballs, DTM
                          • Bad: Available new? Mg on the street?
                        • BBS LM276
                          • 17x8.5 et18
                          • Good: can buy new, look great, fitment good, quality
                          • Bad: already had them, 2x local homies have them
                        • Volk TE37SL
                          • 17x8.5 et15
                          • Good: can buy new, perfect size and offset, light, strong, $3k ish
                          • Bad: too similar to GTR, look huge, maybe too modern
                        • [Replica by NTM] BBS E50 style
                          • Good: can buy new, period look, good sizes, aluminum
                          • Bad: Replica, slightly different look? Priced like genuine
                        • Cinel DTM
                          • Good: period correct, DTM, high quality, good fitment
                          • Bad: $1400/each allegedly
                        • Livery Wheel Procar
                          • Good: unique, fitment however I want, look cool
                          • Bad: $1k/ea+, acquired taste, are they in business…?
                        • Fikse FM5 or P113
                          • Good: high quality, fitment however I want, look cool
                          • Bad: $1k+/ea, slightly too modern looking
                        Of the batch, the TE37s are the bargain at 70,000JPY (~$635) a piece. Unfortunately, those are exactly the same wheels that I have on my GTR. I kept coming back to the BBS E50s, Every E30M I see on the internet that really stops me in my tracks is on them, either DTM or street car. Believing that BBS no longer manufactured the wheel, I had the NTM/replica wheels as far as the shopping cart and ready for checkout a couple evenings ago.

                        Then, someone on FB mentioned that BBS would build me some for the same price. Thinking that he was yanking my chain, I asked him to point me in the right direction. He provided a contact at BBS Americas outside of Atlanta and in a matter of hours I had full details on what they could do for me. The representative explained to me that production of the magesium wheels had been halted few years ago, but enough people requested them that they dusted off the casting dies and tripled the unit price to make it worth their while. The rep threw a lot of information at me in a very short phone call, so this information is not 100% gospel, but he explained that BBS still offers 4 magnesium E50 centers in 5x120 bolt pitch. I asked him for a 17x8 et15 size, and he gave me two options: the first, his recommendation, was a 2" outer lip with a 6" inner lip. The second was a 1" outer lip with a 7" inner lip, same offset, with a different much more "deep" magnesium center. He provided some section drawings and I did my best Keynote engineering:



                        Note: the thickness of the center at the hoop bolting interface is 20mm, which is cut off in the drawing. True for both centers.

                        So I studied these drawings and determined that the 2/6" was going to be the better choice. I want the faces close to flush with the outer lip, like the race cars had, but the 1/7" was a little over-the-top. The center actually sticks proud of the lip (like those reverse-mount VW guys do... yikes) and there seems to be a very deep central pocket that could really change the look of the wheel. Some other tidbits I got from the rep:
                        • Shown above are 2 of the 4 magnesium 5x120 centers BBS still offers. The one I selected, 389, is the only one of the four that doesn't have tapped holes in the face for turbofans. (darn)
                        • Note the stock E30 M3 brake caliper profile shown in the 389 drawing.
                        • The 393 center was apparently initially designed for E30 M3 DTM applications, where big brake clearance was required.
                        • The 389 center is what was used on the H&R E30 demo car.
                        So after poring over photos available online, and drawing up these sections based on the drawings he provided, and even throwing it into CAD to get a rough idea of the look - I pulled the trigger today. 17x8 et15 square setup in gold. I consulted a couple of old chassis friends from Tesla and they said that new-cast magnesium should not be a problem on the street. They look like absolutely torture to clean but I can live with it because they are amazing. I love how they look, I am excited for the gold on a silver car, I love that they're magnesium and that they were used on the racecars. The centers are $675/ea and the 4 finished wheels will set me back $4700. It's almost double what I've ever spent on wheels... or really any aftermarket part for any of my cars. But this M3 is the one that I'm putting all the good parts, the 'keeper' that will get all the dream parts and look just how I want it to look. And again, it would only be $1600 more if I went through this whole exercise to re-fit the 16" M5 wheels.

                        I am keen not to over-tire the car, which is why I'm going with a square setup... I don't think the M3 needs staggered wheels. At this time I am planning to run 215/40 up front to make sure I don't have fitment issues, and I am on the fence about whether to do 215 in the rear as well or go up to 235/40. I have plenty of time to think about it, as the wheels are probably about 3 months away.
                        1989 Lachs
                        1988 Lachs - sold
                        1988 DS - sold
                        Bay Area M3 FB group

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                        • #74
                          Well this is just going to be the goddamn best.

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                          • Konig
                            Konig commented
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                            We all know what comes next... the wheels will look great but the ride height won't be quite right... so then come the KWs! Good thing I'm not traveling or spending much on gas in 2020. Thanks for following along.

                        • #75
                          EPIC!!!

                          I think you made the right choice to forego refinishing the 16's. And the gold on silver on red will look so goood! I ran 16" BBS RX's for a minute but I felt that they made the side profile of the car look "top heavy", disproportionately small for the chassis. I doubt you'll have any issues with 235/40-17 square with those wheel specs, at most a slight rub on the finishing covers at the front corners of the wells.

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