debating retiring Michelin 2.7L track car and moving things around.........

[HANDBLT]

Thinking of retiring the Michelin car after this season….but don’t want it to just sit in storage. Would bring it out a couple times a year, but a waste.


My initial thoughts are to put the 2.7 in my Lachs car, with stock transmission, and replace the slides with 48’s, and have a good street build.

Take the entire suspension and brakes off Michelin and put it on Lach’s and vise versa.

Remove the wrap off Michelin (DS car with all original vins, sans EVOIII fenders) put the 2.3 and suspension off Lachs on it and sell it, as is, gutted with cage.

Use the funds from my E46 M3 I just sold sold, funds from the GrpA trans and Slides/8inj airbox, and funds from the sale of the DS towards a former pro built track car, and have a bad ass street car.

Thoughts?

T

[Anri]

Thinking of retiring the Michelin car after this season

Tony,

Not enough info why do you want to do that ?

Let me crack the points...

- Tired from modifying the car
- Not fast enough
- Board from the car
- Lost desire to visit the track
- Too expensive

List goes on and on..

Regards,
Anri

[HANDBLT]

Tony,

Not enough info why do you want to do that ?

Let me crack the points...

- Tired from modifying the car
- Not fast enough
- Board from the car
- Lost desire to visit the track
- Too expensive

List goes on and on..

Regards,
Anri

Just want to get in something more modern and that was previously campaigned and built by a pro team. No more dealing with 'dialing' things in and growing pains. The Michelin car is complete, as far as I'm willing to take it. Running it this year and then retiring it. Just makes no sense to let it sit in storage and collect dust when I could leverage it to get to the new toy.

Plus I would have to 'refresh' the engine after this season, and every couple of seasons they're after. Not a small cost. Would be fine for a street motor with 325+hp in street trim.

T

[Anri]

Just want to get in something more modern and that was previously campaigned and built by a pro team. No more dealing with 'dialing' things in and growing pains. The Michelin car is complete, as far as I'm willing to take it. Running it this year and then retiring it. Just makes no sense to let it sit in storage and collect dust when I could leverage it to get to the new toy.

Plus I would have to 'refresh' the engine after this season, and every couple of seasons they're after. Not a small cost. Would be fine for a street motor with 325+hp in street trim.

T

Tony,

Interestingly how "Most" E30M3 owners end their E30M3 ownership with exact those points you shared. One being more "Modern" and it's all because what S14 offers.

Why refresh the engine after season ? you are revving only 8000rpm ? Our E46M3 track/street car had over 50 hard track days at 8200rpm with...std rod bearing and vanos service done and nothing else..

Anyway, proceed what will make you happy and how you envision the move.

Just want to get in something more modern and that was previously campaigned and built by a pro team

Seem you want newer Race/Track car with more modern design and more power than what 2.7 offers.

I can tell you are not in "Lap-Time-War" playing with big boys is a lot of fun ! At ButtonWillow a buddy has $200k GT3 driven on the virgin of go-off and its barely any faster than $60k Bee emm double you..he gets so mad of me when I show him the data.... Be very careful from your next move, but you are not after a lap time then its all good...

E30M3 can be a very very fast car and give a lot of trouble to "Big-Boys" on the track with lap times but not with S14 even at 3.0l....or if S14 is a Must then it must be Turbo.

Regards,
Anri

[HANDBLT]

Tony,

Interestingly how "Most" E30M3 owners end their E30M3 ownership with exact those points you shared. One being more "Modern" and it's all because what S14 offers.

Why refresh the engine after season ? you are revving only 8000rpm ? Our E46M3 track/street car had over 50 hard track days at 8200rpm with...std rod bearing and vanos service done and nothing else..

Anyway, proceed what will make you happy and how you envision the move.



Seem you want newer Race/Track car with more modern design and more power than what 2.7 offers.

I can tell you are not in "Lap-Time-War" playing with big boys is a lot of fun ! At ButtonWillow a buddy has $200k GT3 driven on the virgin of go-off and its barely any faster than $60k Bee emm double you..he gets so mad of me when I show him the data.... Be very careful from your next move, but you are not after a lap time then its all good...

E30M3 can be a very very fast car and give a lot of trouble to "Big-Boys" on the track with lap times but not with S14 even at 3.0l....or if S14 is a Must then it must be Turbo.

Regards,
Anri

I have all the fun I want on track with the 2.7L S14. I'm just ready for something a little more/different/modern. I cannot out drive the car, or even get close to its limits. It has way more in it than I could ever get out of it, but again I'm not in it for the lap competition with others. I am racing against me, not the other cars that I reel in and pass, that have way more HP and rubber/brakes under them than I have.

It's pretty easy to pass others in my same run group (A/A+ solo/Instructors) in the Michelin car, but again I'm not out there for that. I am racing myself. Still needs work on the brakes to make it more confident since I've had nothing but issues with them since day 1.

https://youtu.be/JhbUSmFj4II

T

[jimmy p.]

My thoughts are post 1 is ALOT of work.
I think if it were me (and that day may come for me to, it almost has a couple times but I got better ) I would just keep what your going to keep or sell what your going to sell.

Swapping setups in between cars sounds like a nightmare of never ending projects.
If your time is done with the track car, just hang a FS sign on it.
The problem you will face is less people want E30M3 track cars, most people want investment cars they can drive twice a year.
So few still want to actually drive them fast, with some pepper in it on a race track and even less have the will / means to pay for them even a fraction of what it took to get them there.

Sounds like Swernoff is your spirit animal,,, basically just what he did.
Maybe put both up for sale as a package. The street car will probably tow up the track car even though thats upside down of investment.

[1990m3]

Sounds like Swernoff is your spirit animal,,, basically just what he did.
Maybe put both up for sale as a package. The street car will probably tow up the track car even though thats upside down of investment.

don’t drag me through the mud!!!! Lol

i moved on cause I was pissed about my block cracking and lack of part availability. I see it in Eric’s attempt to race, mine and others. If that block didn’t crack I’d still be rocking my m3 on the vintage circuit having a good old time. I miss the car, but my attachment probably was a bit unhealthy

[ADA///M]

I would turn the michelin car into a dtm inspired street car (remove the wrap, get rid of the slides, and make it as streetable as it can be.... and sell the lachs as-is.

The only answer is what is the best version of one car you'd want to end up with at the end of the day?

You obviously enjoy the work to swap things around, so I dont think that's a negative.

[HANDBLT]

don’t drag me through the mud!!!! Lol

i moved on cause I was pissed about my block cracking and lack of part availability. I see it in Eric’s attempt to race, mine and others. If that block didn’t crack I’d still be rocking my m3 on the vintage circuit having a good old time. I miss the car, but my attachment probably was a bit unhealthy

you should have kept Sterling.......

That's why I'm NOT selling the Lach's

T

[HANDBLT]

The only answer is what is the best version of one car you'd want to end up with at the end of the day?

That would be the Lach's with the 2.7L drivetrain (sans slides and GRpA trans), MCS suspension, AP brakes etc etc

T

[HANDBLT]

My thoughts are post 1 is ALOT of work.
I think if it were me (and that day may come for me to, it almost has a couple times but I got better ) I would just keep what your going to keep or sell what your going to sell.

Swapping setups in between cars sounds like a nightmare of never ending projects.
If your time is done with the track car, just hang a FS sign on it.
The problem you will face is less people want E30M3 track cars, most people want investment cars they can drive twice a year.
So few still want to actually drive them fast, with some pepper in it on a race track and even less have the will / means to pay for them even a fraction of what it took to get them there.

Sounds like Swernoff is your spirit animal,,, basically just what he did.
Maybe put both up for sale as a package. The street car will probably tow up the track car even though thats upside down of investment.

Shouldn't be that hard to swap it all over. It's like I used the Michelin car as a test chassis, to shake down and test everything, now it just goes in its final home lol

I just wonder if the delta between a gutted/caged all orig vin track car, vs cutting the cage out and getting a full interior for it, it worth that amount of work? Not to me I don't think.

Garage space for me is the other issue. I am selling my house and moving closer to the beach where there won't be any garage space to store them both (with trailer) for a while.

The good thing is I love having stupid complicated projects going to keep me sane. I wouldn't know what to do if there wasn't some hairball scheme that didn't involve E30 M3 chassis(s) and S14's in some sort of dumb build

T

[ADA///M]

That would be the Lach's with the 2.7L drivetrain (sans slides and GRpA trans), MCS suspension, AP brakes etc etc

T

There's your answer. Do that first. Then figure out the plan for the Michelin later (can collect parts along the way to turn it back to a street car if they come up)

[HANDBLT]

I already have minty mint font seats and grey carpet. The two hardest pieces to find I guess, other than the A/C pillar pieces. The sunroof cassette has been cut out though, a slicktop headliner might be the other tough one to gather.

T

[ADA///M]

I already have minty mint font seats and grey carpet. The two hardest pieces to find I guess, other than the A/C pillar pieces. The sunroof cassette has been cut out though, a slicktop headliner might be the other tough one to gather.

T

"mostly street" car it is! I'm sure someone can make a headliner for you.

[nsubre]

Who are you debating this with, yourself?
No car ever has enough power.
It had become a historic car, enjoy it as such.
There are many faster street cars. Any five liter Camaro or Mustang will eat it alive. Even a Honda Civic type R.
Larry