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  • UNHCLL
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    I never acted on this as all initial reports of their setup that I heard resulted in pinging/detonation.

    I've not heard of it being resolved yet.

    Hopefully it does/has been resolved.

    -C

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  • dllance
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    What ever happened guys. I've been searching for the best MAF system to get and found this thread that just stopped. Did anyone come to a conclusion?
    Thanks

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  • toyotahachiroku
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    my car was test mule for them for developing the maf for the S14. i didnt get any afr print outs or anything. im not sure they even dyno'd it or anything because it was installed a few hours. i did notice gains and a positive differences in the low to middle rpm ranges. but, right now, the car smells super rich all the time and seems to have a occasional slight miss at high rpms. im worried if the engine burns down or wont pass emissions.

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  • M-technik-3
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    Waiting in the wings. Off topic but semi on topic, how does the M20 guys like theirs? Has Miller released data on their AFR and dyno plots?

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  • Mmark
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    With the current barn door Mafs on our cars getting on, I'm interested, but since no AFR data has been published, for stock engined cars with stock and aftermarket chips, I too have been waiting.

    peak horsepower means nothing if the area under the power curve gets smaller.

    m

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  • nickvyse
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    bit more info..

    This is what Dan Miller had to say at the beginning of last month - I've clarified what he's answering in capitals. I can't see any reason why he wouldn't want me to post this here - it's all positive stuff, and the promised dyno runs should get a fair few people, like myself and others on this thread, off the fence and in their order books:


    Hi Nick,

    You can use the factory flange that comes on the M30 AFM, it simply fits between the MAF and your intake tube [I ASKED IF YOU COULD FIT AN AFTER MARKET AIR FILTER TO THE MAF]. We did not change the rev limit but the fuel curve and ignition curves are modified. As of right now we don't have dyno runs, we are on tour of the US tuning customers cars for them. We will be in North Carolina later this month and there are said to be some M3's that we have to take care of.

    We should have dyno runs for you then. As for the cams, we will see if our maps need adjustment at all in NC and then we will offer a software version for cams if need be [I ASKED IF THEY WOULD OFFER DIFFERENT CHIPS FOR DIFFERENT CAMS SUCH AS THE POPULAR SHRICK COMBO, OR WHETHER THE NATURE OF THE MAF WOULD COMPENSATE FOR THEIR DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS].

    And it shouldn't be a problem to mount to a carbon air box. as for prices, they are in US dollars.

    Thanks for your interest and we will keep you updated as to what is happening with the s14 MAF.

    -Dan Miller-

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  • Robert
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    Originally posted by GraemeD View Post
    it looks like there would be enough of us for our own group buy, maybe after they publish a dyno run sheet?

    I think I'll just wait till they got all the facts. And hope there will be another GB, if all goes well. [peace]

    Thanks all...

    Robert

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  • mscott
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    That's correct. My engine with the JC chip then my engine again, no other mods, with the miller kit. All within 500 miles. I wanted to keep the miles down, but I ran a weekend at VIR two weeks ago. They are not going to alter the programing afterwards. They flew down to a swap meet in charlotte a couple of weeks ago, installed the MAF system, programmed my air/fluel mixture and then flew back. I know they did have to send me a seperate chip to set my rev limiter to the same as Turner/JC. My mechanic did install that last week.

    Also, I know they could do the same for the white m3 in the pics. His difference is a rebuilt 2.5 top end.

    To all those on the fence, I hear you. My car has always been more of a show car with 1 or 2 driver eds, so I was the same way. My mechanic, who is a former Turner Pit Mechanic, told me this was a must. He got them to fly down to Charlotte and add it to about 6 cars. So I got a 3rd party's recomendation, who I trusted, to put me over the edge.

    Lastly, proud to say that if you go to the Miller website, that's my engine bay they use for the pictures, the Henna. Proud of her, 108k miles.
    Scott
    Last edited by mscott; 03-23-2007, 05:29 AM.

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  • jht3
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    Originally posted by UNHCLL View Post
    I just want to clarify, I greatly appreciate the efforts/time Miller has put into this. We all know that finding "new" tuning companies to support these cars is no easy chore.

    I do not mean to speak down/ill of Miller, I was simply voicing my opinion that I'm not comfortable putting one of these on a car without first seeing some AFR's. Peak HP/TQ don't really mean anything to me.


    :thank you
    you said it better than i could.

    i don't even care if there aren't hp/tq numbers. i just want to see a "before" and "after" plot showing the shapes of the curves

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  • UNHCLL
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    I just want to clarify, I greatly appreciate the efforts/time Miller has put into this. We all know that finding "new" tuning companies to support these cars is no easy chore.

    I do not mean to speak down/ill of Miller, I was simply voicing my opinion that I'm not comfortable putting one of these on a car without first seeing some AFR's. Peak HP/TQ don't really mean anything to me.


    :thank you

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  • GraemeD
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    it looks like there would be enough of us for our own group buy, maybe after they publish a dyno run sheet?

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  • jht3
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    I'm on the fence with Chris and Lee. I'd like to see a nice plot with AFR's before jumping in. I've known of more than one engine to blow running a popular chip. I went with an iigo chip b/c of the plots and evidence jefrem had on his site. I don't think it's too much to ask Miller to do the same.

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  • LeeVuong
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    Hi Scott. So, they want to compare a standard S14 with JC chip, and that same engine with their own system. Right? Do they want to alter the programming after comparing? Yesterday, I was about to put my name as #11 on the list for the GB, but decided not to, before I can see a chart. Not that I do not trust Miller Performance, but they perhaps could use a few hard facts to sell what seems to be a great kit. I understand they want to do things right,the first time, and cannot blame them for that.
    Last edited by LeeVuong; 03-23-2007, 02:59 AM.

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  • mscott
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    I think they are waiting on me for the Dyno results. When they installed my system, I had her dynoed about 2 weeks before the install, out of pure luck. I spoke with Brody last week and told him I was hoping to do it real soon. Waiting for the same dyno to become available. They where looking for somebody with a stock motor w a Turner Chip and then with no mods after the miller system install on the same dyno. It's kinda a hard request to complete, especially since its my spare time. I'll let you know when I get it done.
    Scott

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  • LeeVuong
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    Hey Chris.

    I think you have a good point. I am interested in their kit. But they do not have dyno print outs with neither torque/power or AFR charts. How difficult would it be for them to divulgate a few infos that demonstrate how great their system is? I read somewhere that they do not publish that kind of data because "people make fun of it". I only want to be a believer. Show me graphs.

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