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  • E30M3 documents?

    To get my car verified with the S50B32 I need to document that the chassis is capable to withstand that engine and horsepower.

    Is there any documents available for this or does some one got any?

    Hartge documents is not good enough. Alpina documents are, but you don't get a E30M3 with 330hp from Alpina.
    1987 BMW M3 E30

    S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

  • #2
    Bumping
    1987 BMW M3 E30

    S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Larsen-Racing View Post
      Bumping
      BMW themselves?


      Goodbye M3, you served me well.

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      • #4
        They probably have, and I have tried to get in contact without any luck...
        1987 BMW M3 E30

        S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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        • #5
          You should build a 330hp s14.. there would be no issues with that, right?..[peace]

          Can you use documents from Grp. A cars? That might be your best bet.

          I doubt BMW is going to give you documents verifying the chassis will be safe with an engine it was not designed to hold. You might as well have a Ford V8 in there as far as BMW is concerned. Good luck though.

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          • #6
            Where can I get the Gr.A documents then?
            1987 BMW M3 E30

            S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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            • #7
              Bump

              Have now got documents on Alpina B6 3.5s, but that have only 320nm and I need a documents that says E30M3 can stand a 350nm engine.
              Last edited by Larsen-Racing; 03-05-2011, 02:55 AM.
              1987 BMW M3 E30

              S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Larsen-Racing View Post
                Bump

                Have now got documents on Alpina B6 3.5s, but that have only 320nm and I need a documents that says E30M3 can stand a 350nm engine.

                Photoshop? lol

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                • #9
                  I can't imagine where you would find something like that, or why you would need it in the first place. The car was never built with a 330 HP engine. Period. The only ones that ran an engine with that output would have been heavily modified beyond factory spec anyway.

                  Is this needed to get your car registered as street legal? Is it possible there is someplace in the world more over-regulated than California?

                  Anyway, bump all you want, I don't think what you are asking for is going to appear, or even exists.

                  Sorry.
                  Last edited by Ironhead; 03-05-2011, 06:42 AM.

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                  • #10
                    you'll need to find a Hartge H35-24 driver
                    that car was delivered from Hartge with M88 engine 330hp and 355Nm
                    http://wp1016621.wp027.webpack.hoste...621/f00621.htm

                    http://www.bmwm3shop.de

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                    • #11
                      m5killer (Rojer) in the Alpina section of m5board - think he has an H35, and doesn't Theo in the UK have one also? Good luck.

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                      • #12
                        Actually you seem to have been through this before? Deja Vu?

                        http://208.109.219.183/forums/showthread.php?p=415248

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                        • #13
                          Over ruled, YES!

                          Ok, I'll try to explain.

                          In order to get our cars road legal in Norway it has to be approved by the Norwegian DVLA or the Department of Motor Vehicles. Meaning it is not to take my car, drive it in and say "Hey, I put this engine in this car, fitted this suspension and these rims"

                          I, as builder, NEED to prove to them that the chassis is capable of holding "all" of the horsepower in the engine. The suspension needs to be TÜV approved. The rims need to be TÜV approved and have an offset +-5mm from standard.

                          If you go back 6 years in time, it was much more easy to do things like that. There are E30M3's that are cut in half and mated with a E30 316 front cut that is legal with 3.2l here. But, the DVLA cant go back and look at older approvements, to them it is impossible they say.

                          The Hartge documents is no longer good enough to them, because Hartge is a tuner. They don't take cars right of the production line like Alpina and give them it's own VIN. Alpina documents are ok, for now.

                          So, what I have to do unless I get a document that says the car is ok with 350nm is to take the entire car to Germany and get it approved by TÜV. Then take it to DVLA and get it approved. But, I know they are trying to stop that as well now.

                          The car is also needed to be under the given front axle weight and rear axle weight.

                          The guys that builds hot rods and motorcycles here is also having big problems getting their build approved.

                          Earlier it was possible to take the car to a BMW dealer and have them sign a paper, telling the car was ok with the new engine and parts.
                          1987 BMW M3 E30

                          S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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                          • #14
                            Wow...that sucks. There is someplace worse than California.....

                            But I don't think what you are looking for exists.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ironhead View Post
                              Wow...that sucks. There is someplace worse than California.....

                              But I don't think what you are looking for exists.
                              No...but you never know unless you are looking!

                              I always have the option to get the whole car TÜV approved. I have sat away money for it as well.
                              1987 BMW M3 E30

                              S50B32 swap thread http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43515

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