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  • Magnus
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    Thanks Mpire... Those are probably the stupidest remarks I've
    heard in awhile. Each sentence makes me dumber for reading
    it. Clearly you know nothing about the car, although it doesn't
    prevent you from making a fool of yourself...

    I hope you don't offer technical help. :rolleyes:
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    Why do dumb people feel comfortable about saying ignorant things in mixed
    company?

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  • chutrain
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    Originally posted by mpire View Post
    The point is, I really enjoy reading the swap forum. The S54 has been done already, and I am eager to learn more.

    Thats the point.

    Sorry if my enthusiasm for the E30 doesnt extend to the drivetrain.

    Don't be a hater.
    I'm not trying to be a hater. I was just curious as to why your posts have only pertained to the S54 motor. That's all.

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  • mpire
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    The point is, I really enjoy reading the swap forum. The S54 has been done already, and I am eager to learn more.

    Thats the point.

    Sorry if my enthusiasm for the E30 doesnt extend to the drivetrain.

    Don't be a hater.

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  • chutrain
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    Originally posted by mpire View Post
    bla bla bla...

    Its great that you think its so wonderful. I personally think the new V10 at full song sounds pretty sweet. But who really cares? These aren't collectors cars. They are rare, and they are a little special, but if you could get the rear window on a 325 then the M3 would retail for less than $3000 today. Its just a styling exercise. Get over it. The motor doesn't make enough power to justify the cost of maintaining it. I haven't missed a Rolex since 2000. I am fully aware of what they think is great. I bet you that they would all say that the M3 V8 GTR was a much better performer than the E30 M3. Regardless, if the spec series would allow them to run a larger motor, BMW would have made the E30 M3 with a larger motor.

    So instead of whining and complaining that they are butchering the engine swaps (that are cheaper than actually rebuilding the S14), I suggest that you be happy that the chassis is loved enough that people want it. If people still drive the cars then you will still be able to find aftermarket parts to fix it.

    The day that you can't get parts is the day you will not be able to drive your beloved M3.

    While I know you love your little car, no one else really cares.

    Why do you think that 90% of cars sold are slushbox transmissions? Women are the primary decision makers on cars bought in this country.
    What was the point of you signing up to S14.net? Your posts have essentially nothing to provide to the E30 M3 community? Be happy with your S54 and move on.

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  • mpire
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    bla bla bla...

    Its great that you think its so wonderful. I personally think the new V10 at full song sounds pretty sweet. But who really cares? These aren't collectors cars. They are rare, and they are a little special, but if you could get the rear window on a 325 then the M3 would retail for less than $3000 today. Its just a styling exercise. Get over it. The motor doesn't make enough power to justify the cost of maintaining it. I haven't missed a Rolex since 2000. I am fully aware of what they think is great. I bet you that they would all say that the M3 V8 GTR was a much better performer than the E30 M3. Regardless, if the spec series would allow them to run a larger motor, BMW would have made the E30 M3 with a larger motor.

    So instead of whining and complaining that they are butchering the engine swaps (that are cheaper than actually rebuilding the S14), I suggest that you be happy that the chassis is loved enough that people want it. If people still drive the cars then you will still be able to find aftermarket parts to fix it.

    The day that you can't get parts is the day you will not be able to drive your beloved M3.

    While I know you love your little car, no one else really cares.

    Why do you think that 90% of cars sold are slushbox transmissions? Women are the primary decision makers on cars bought in this country.

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  • evans61
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    engine swaps in an e30m3 are absolutely braindead. that engine and that car is the winningest race car ever. if the most reknown racers ever won with it, why in the world would i want to change it. it was designed from the ground up to race. i attend the rolex24 every year for 16 years now. sebring too. i ask drivers like randy pobst (porsche gt cup) the question, "what's the best race car you ever drove?" "e30 m3 that korman put out." the mustang 5.0 ushered in an era of plain power drivers that expect to power their way out of any situation... it doesn't work. on track day, they are the first on the hook, or flatbed. the e30m3 has 50/50 weight distribution. any other engine destroys that ratio. i love that engine. i get nervous when i get asked the question, "how did you get the vibration out of the shifter at 6500?" i run away. instead, i call my wife and say, "this car is awesome... can you hear this over the phone?" i have it's ringtone. nothing sounds like the s14. and any swap is... braindead. i wich i could tell you how i really feel. of course, you are talking to a fanatic that spent 12 hours yesterday washing the car. i started with removing the grill so i could clean the henna to show through better. what a car. s14. no swaps. get a mustang gt instead and plow away. it takes a real driver to get the power out of the s14. no joe six packs here.

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  • mpire
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    Hmmm...

    Why?

    Well, considering I am currently hunting for an E30 M3 to butcher, I can tell you that I don't care for bangle styling. Its not classic. I have met Chris Bangle more than once, and he is a very charming guy, but I think he is full of bullshit. He is very good speaker, and he is very entertaining...

    That being said, I would rather have a Luthe design. Something about the E30 M3 seems timeless. Something that can't be said about the E30. Why? Don't ask me. The E30 seems weak without the addition of the M rear window. Can't tell you why exactly, but if we could just buy the rear window and trunk lids, we would not be butchering your beloved M3s.

    Besides, you gotta be a little crazy to love the E30 M3 anyways. Luthe was pretty crazy, he killed is youngest son on Good Friday. That speaks of a pretty strong personality if you ask me.

    As for your beloved S14, its just not enough to justify the maintenance required. You can get much better gas mileage, better power, better torque, and a much less service demanding motor for less than an S14 on the used market. Sure, it was good for its time, but it would be even better if it was the S38. Its pretty weak, and sure it sounds good, but its not good enough.

    Take the S54 M Coupe. Same basic suspension, plenty of power, it will stomp an E30 M3 on the track without a second thought. I intend to find myself a nice M roadster that has had a chance encounter with a wall and just swap everything over. Interior, subframes, drivetrain...

    Now that would be an awesome car to have.
    Last edited by mpire; 05-09-2008, 02:21 PM.

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  • Piper Motorsport
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    Good answer, its only a hunk of metal fella's. We did it because we could and cut up a perfectly good M3 to do so We havn't received much scrutiny probably because we are using all OEM BMW parts and its a radical project I guess. Do what you wish and have fun doing it!

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  • datsunfreak
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    Originally posted by Mark S. View Post
    Because it's my car.
    Best answer yet. And would be my answer too.

    I have no problems with an engine swap if it's well done and makes the car faster without too much (preferably zero) downside. But if the stock engine is still in the car and running good, I'd say keep it.

    Swaps should be the domain of cars with dead (or missing) engines, IMO.

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  • Mark S.
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    Originally posted by motoyen View Post
    For the life of me I can never understand why people pick this car, of all cars, to do an engine swap.

    Because it's my car.

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  • GreekM3
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    I most definately understand the importance of keeping the m3 original and in existance.

    But what do you do to a salvage title car in complete decrepid condidtion with near 300k miles, which has had its drivetrain taken away by another e30 m3 driver who blew his s14 and decided it would be better to just buy it out of this one......

    The only logical answer in my mind was to take it in, bring it back to life (which includes paint, interior, etc), and throw a motor in that i could afford. Of course this is a rare case, but im sure there are plenty of m3's that have had their motor's robbed... the more prime candidates for a swap

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  • the808state
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    I'm gonna post as a n00b here... The e30 M3's body and lines is sex on wheels in my mind. I've loved them since I was a young boy and always wished to own one.

    20 years later and I feel the same way about this car. Although as those 20 years have past a lot has changed when talking about my personal views of performance. With building turbo cars and boosting many N/A cars in the past the S14 engine isn't my choice of engine.

    Please don't get me wrong, it is a masterpiece! I don't know many other N/A 4cyl that put out that much per liter and if damn Honda didn't release the F20C it would probably still be at the top. Although I love to stick it to the s2000 owners about how BMW did it 20 years ago. lol

    I've loved e30s since I was a kid and have owned a few 325s in the past. But in my mind, a boosted M20B25/27 hybrid is hands down a better motor and a far cheaper build.

    Please take this post for what it is and don't go too hard on the n00b... This is merely my personal preferences and opinions on the matter.

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  • Brandon
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    Remember that the more bastardized E30 m3s there are out there, the more the original ones will be worth :^)

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  • FredK
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    Originally posted by SDKmann View Post
    Yeah but in the end your paying for it since you either A) have to modify the car like crazy to balance the 6 out and get proper weight distribution or B) live with the fact that at any time a civic could have the ability to out handle you.
    Have you hustled either an S14 or S5x E30 M3 down a winding road? What is modifying the car like crazy? I would see tubbing the car and moving the drivetrain back 6 inches as being radical. Fooling around with coilover spring rates / corner balancing the car isn't really modifying the car like crazy.

    Originally posted by SDKmann View Post
    A E30 M3 with anything but the S14 is an absolute waste. Its nothing more then a muscle car then and a pretty shitty one at that. If you want S50/52 power and handleing then just buy a E36, E30s are way too rare to destroy with swaps.
    Be real. Nothing more than a muscle car?

    Personally I'd rather see an S14 in an M3 as well. But I say, to each his own.

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  • chutrain
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    Originally posted by ///Mflossin View Post
    wow...that's an expensive ass rebuild. I assume that includes head work and block work, cams etc...etc...etc.?
    Yeah, you can probably get a pretty much fully built motor for that much dough. I believe a guy on eBay recently was selling a racing S14 motor for around that price. I think $6-8k is a good number on a no frills rebuild.

    I'll probably step up to the 2.5 when I get a rebuild, but lets hope that its in the distant future as I only got 73k on the original motor. Good time to start saving for that rebuild now that I think of it.

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